in 2008, it was a free and fair election in pakistan. they were annihilated at the poll, lost control of the two important provinces, and so that is, i think, an important point for us to keep in our minds when we kind of critique, rightly critique what the pakistanis have done in terms of supporting the groups. the group that attacked in mumbai in 2008 is officially banned, but they continue to practice and function under a different name. it's identified with kashmir, this is a mass movement. it's more like hezbollah than an al-qaeda group providing social welfare services, meetings where hundreds of thousands of people show up so i think as a practical matter, the pakistani government is not going to crack down on what the group is called because they changed their name a number of times because it's seen as a kashmir liberation group with a certain legitimacy in pakistan. the question is will pakistan do anything about the haqqani network, and hitherto, they have not done that much. that said, they launched a major military operation